How many people out there would say "fuck it" to a job that wouldn't let you take a day to go to a funeral?

From: [identity profile] zenten.livejournal.com


#1: My grandfathers.

#2: The legal requirement is that they give you one sick day for it.

From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com


I realise, but the question is would *I* walk out in a similar situation.

Meaning it would depend on whose funeral it was.

And I know of no legal requirement of time off for funerals. I know of legal requirements to allow time off in general, though, so I can't imagine why "I'm taking one of my 'sick' days on this specific day to go to a funeral" would be a problem.
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From: [identity profile] ms-danson.livejournal.com


For government there is usually an allowance for some family realated funerals in the contract but not for other funerals. Kerry should be eligable for time off to go to Josh's grandfather's funeral IF she is married to Josh or IF she is in a legally recognized common-law relationship with Josh. (I think.) If she is just engaged to Josh then no dice.
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From: [identity profile] ms-danson.livejournal.com


It would likely be within the legal rights outlined in such a contract to ask for proof. (Note: Airlines require proof for funeral related discounts.) Whether or not they do it would probably be up to the particular office but in either case there is going to be a record of the claim for leave and the reason.

For general benifits (married or common-law) I know that there is at least a formal legal declaration of status somewhere in the paperwork that one would declare such status. (That is likely double checked if a security check is completed.)

Personally, when I had to attend a friends funeral I took vacation time.

From: [identity profile] corradus.livejournal.com


IF she has a contract, there is usually a clause for something called 'compassionate' or 'bereavement' leave. If not, you're right, there is no law that says you're allowed ANY time off for any reason except the most extreme (ie: you had a heart attack and are in IC for like a month or something). Granting time off is totally at the discretion of the employer unless it's your vacation, which non-probationary employees are allowed to take once a year (the reason they collect vacation pay from you - or most do anyways).

Now, if you just TAKE the time off, TECHNICALLY the employer can only fire you if he has given you documented warnings for TWO OTHER incidents that are against company policy. This applies to anything that isn't against the law - ie: you can't embezzle from the company or slug someone on the factory floor one or two times for free. I think past a certain number of days you're considered permanently AWOL and the employer can find someone to fill your job, but it's not one or two days that's for sure.

Of course these days employers can do whatever the fuck they like because MOST people wrong-headedly eschew unions (or have no opportunity to join one in the first place) and then find out that the labor courts in this country are prohibitively expensive and time consuming (not to mention they often return decisions that are ludicrous in the extreme).

From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com


I wouldn't call it "collecting vacation pay *from* you", and most places are cool about taking your vacation days 1 at a time as things come up.

Besides. I was thinking "personal day" or "sick day", which are common in office contracts.

(And working without a contract? Why would you do that? What employer would even try that?[1])


[1]: assuming legal above-board employment, natch.

From: [identity profile] corradus.livejournal.com


>>And working without a contract? Why would you do that? What employer would even try that?[<<

Hate to break this to you mon vieux, but a very LARGE hunk of the workforce works without a contract. Most jobs in the service industry, hospitality business...a lot of manual labor gigs...all sorts of people work only under the umbrella of the Canadian Labor Laws. Happens all the time.

As a matter of fact, in most of Corporate North America (and even a number of Crown Coporations such as Canada Post) the trend is to use what's called 'casual' labor. People under micro-contracts (and when I use the term contract, what I mean is roaring fuckin joke)that periodically (albeit often gently) contravene the Labor Code.

They're out there.

From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com


How strange. I've never *not* had a contract, even for simple manual labour, except for literal day-to-day "lift a whole lot of dirt" work. Even my fast-food service and stacking vegetables jobs had written contracts.

Regardless, I'd be very shocked if our gracious host didn't have a written contract.


From: [identity profile] baanrys.livejournal.com


I don't have a contract with Empire. Out of all the places I've worked, the only place I did have a contract with was CVG.

From: [identity profile] dolston.livejournal.com


On point #2 - Unless it is in a seperate provision in your contract then, according to government of Ontario there is no legal guarantee if Kerry work in an office with less than 50 people.

From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com


Health Canada employs more than 50, though, so I figured I was pretty safe on that mark.

From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com


So, I believe, does her temp agency.

Is it the temp agency or the Health Canada office that's giving you grief?

And... hrm... yeah, I think I'd say "fuck it" to the job, although I might phrase it "I'm sorry, there's been a death in the family and I'm afraid I won't be able to be in on (day X); I realize this is very short notice and I think I should be able to make up the time within (period).". I can afford to be suddenly unemployed, and the other temp agencies like me, and I don't think it'll screw my resumé (as I'm quite sure the co-worekers would give good reference). And you are, if anything, more employable than I and with a better resumé.

From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com


For a *temp agency*? When you're doing work for hire? Some of them don't even give you vacation time, they substitute 4%.

Good to know, although I hope it never comes up.

From: [identity profile] zenten.livejournal.com


If it's your relative, yes.

Under Ontario law, you get a minimum of 10 unpayed days off for personal reasons, although documentation may have to be supplied. Being sick counts, as does having a death in the family (as does your kids being sick, as does your house being flooded).
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